Unfair

[aron the dwarf]

I know about the site rules for this forum and so I shall contain my anger and keep myself from breaking into a slur of verbal abuse aimed at bloggers whom are great in number but whom I will not name out of respect. The reason for my anger is that in virtually on every thread that complains about WITN, some wise guy comments about how crappy Skyrim is, as if this would justify the WITN's faults. I believe there is a professional term for this, but it escapes me at the moment. I am not complaining about or comparing either game in this thread as I enjoyed (and am enjoying) both but the claims some of these people come up with are ridiculous. Anyway, I just wanted to start a thread so that people would have a better chance of reading my post than if I put it at the back of some other thread.

[crill]

Since this thread is here I’ll give my view…

Obviously people have problems by the number of posts here and other sites. Just try to imagine a guy like me that never ran into a game breaking glitch. Played all characters on every mode – which is 6 playthroughs. I really enjoyed what I played.

Now those with problems I have no issue with being vocal. What bothered me was a few appeared in a attempt to rally a boycott on the developer. I have no invested interest in Snowblind, but why would I want to go that far? And it appears if I say anything at all I automatically become a lackey. That’s not fair.

Personally I think the game’s problems are more of a corporate thing. But I have no inside knowledge. If Snowblind is no longer – or just a fragment of what they use to be – there are not many developers out there interested in 'console' action RPGs worth while for me. Just recently learned about Larian Studios. They are a small group doing their own thing and I hope they stay that way.

That’s my reasons for it. Why discredit SB as much as possible? Did they screw up? It appears so, but I’d say they deserve another chance after BG DA and CoN. That’s my view on it.

[BobSmith101]

Boycotting a developer is a bit like boycotting a manufacturer. There is also that saying that "You are only as good as your last product" and that is somewhat true.

The problem is really how console gaming has changed. Prior to this generation the only way out of something like WitN would be to do a total recall at huge expense. Patching was not an option. Now that it's possible to patch console games, the same ship it now patch it later mentality from PC gaming has infected console games.

However for a game to have so many ways of "breaking" and being unable to complete said game, that is inexcusible and In this WitN is the worst I can recall. It's not like it's a big game, it's not like it has multiple branching endings or huge open world. It's just down to poor QA and or lack of time/pressure from publisher to ship.

Next to Blizzard, Snowblind are probably the best at this type of game. It's really upto the individual whether or not they feel that is worth putting up with the bugs/having to restart or not.

[aron the dwarf]

Guys I appreciate the input but I think you both misunderstood me. I wasn't comparing, criticizing, boycotting or evaluating games or studios. I'm also not saying that if you like a studio and their games, then you automatically become a lackey. All I'm saying is that the faults of a certain game (in this case Skyrim) shouldn't be used as justification for the faults of another (in this case WITN). If this business style was followed by fans and studios, then they would make increasingly worse games (which thankfully doesn't seem to be the case).

[ElveHaldir]

It's about how you look at it, really. People always love to compare different things. For each post saying how crappy Skyrim's bugs were, there is one saying how crappy WitN is compared to Skyrim and how it should have been more like Skyrim. Only there are a lot more Skyrim fanboys on the internet :P

I try not to make such comparisons, as they're two completely different games imo. I prefer WitN because it's more story driven, directer in combat and just more fun to play. I always thought Skyrim (and Oblivion) were very overrated as I ended up being annoyed by the world after about a week or less. On the other hand I can understand the people who enjoy it and spend hours and hours, but it just doesn't cut it for me. Someone who likes Skyrim more might say the complete opposite, it's more a matter of taste than something else. Everybody is guilty of having a preference.

And whether you like Skyrim or not, everybody has to be sick of all those stupid "arrow to the knee" jokes by now ...

EDIT: I'm also moving this thread to the Off-topic section as it doesn't really address anything about the WITN website or forum.

[crill]

I misunderstood. I don’t follow each person. Just the air of the average complaint thread.

I didn’t run into any bugs with Skyrim. I’m not into first person viewing and the third person option felt clunky. Only played like a couple hours, so I have no idea how the game is.

Just felt that lynching developers in a genre where developers are rare for consoles is a bad idea. But sorry for off topic.

[Marveleg]

Well I support both of games , but criticizing a game by comparing it to an other is pathetic .

[BobSmith101]

Like it or not , we will come to conclusions based on previous experience. There is no way to measure something, unless you have something to compare it against. Different people use different scales when it comes to games.
I think it's come to the point now where some people are so used to bug ridden games, that they no longer expect anything not to be filled with bugs. Hence "Skyrim is buggy , not really a suprise if WitN is buggy as well".

I play a lot of Japanese import stuff and the quality is higher than anything you can pick up in the last 5-6 years of the likes of Bethesda et al.

[aron the dwarf]

I beg to differ BobSmith101, I think the fact that people compare products should be used to HIGHER expectations instead of lowering them; hence the motto should be "WITN is nice but Skyrim is better, and I hope Snowblind will do better in their next game." instead of "WITN is crap but that's okay since Skyrim is crap". Note I am only using these names to provide an example, and I actually like both of them. This brings me to my next point; why do people who love WITN hate Skyrim and vica versa?!! It's very rare that you find someone who loves or hates both equally, or at least tries to look at things objectively. It seems everyone is a radical, although I've only been to the WITN official forums and not the Skyrim one since I can't find it (good Samaritans please post link here) but, it's like there's a war on between the two "factions". It's worse than the heavy metal video arguments on YouTube (which I admit to partaking in)!

[BobSmith101]

Well, logically that should be the case. But fandom has never been known for logic. I hung around the Dragon Age 2 boards and watched people defend things that you would think were wholly indefensible. Such as DA2 only having one cave or one "house" and on one occasion rip into a guy for saying the ending was incomplete and nonsenicle (which depending on your faction it was) without ever having followed that route. Fans are irrational beings all around.

The thing with WitN and Skyrim is typical fan logic. If you can't praise the thing you are a fan of on its merits , denegrate something else in order to make it look better.

There is probably a rule about linking to external sites, but google Bethesda should find it fairly easily.